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The BIG conversation with Councillor Christopher Matthews has closed. Thank you for your questions and constructive comments.

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HullTaxPayer:
Hi Councillor Matthews, Thankyou for the response to my previous question. I understand that Humberside Police are already trying to identify £15m in savings (over 4 years) and that any cuts in government funding are in addition to this. The Chief Constable has stated that the funding cuts will be £20m to £30m over 4 years. so over the next 4 years the amount spent on Policing will have fallen by £35m to £45m per annum compared to a couple of years ago. If c.80% of expenditure is spent on staffing there will have to be significant cuts in numbers of staff in order to achieve this?
HPA Response:

In preparation for this we have already frozen recruitment and are offering early retirement packages, but in order to ensure that the best possible level of service is maintained we are working with our partners (West, South and North Yorkshire Police) on a regional basis, such as the Regional Roads Traffic Unit, and scientific support services. By sharing resources such as staff, equipment and buildings we hope to minimise the effects of the potential cutbacks.

HullCouncilTaxpayer:
If Humberside Police is to have it's central government funding cut by 25% and the Police are to make savings, will the Police Authority budget be reduced by 25% ?
HPA Response:

Thank you for your enquiry, you are quite right to raise the issue of the Police Authority budget. The short answer to your question is 'No' as around 25% of our budget comes from local tax payers, a 25% cut in Central Government funding will result in approximately a 20% cut in our total budget over the next four years, i.e 5% per year for four years. The Police Authority is working hard to make efficiency savings of 5% per year, which I am confident we will achieve.

Jennifer Peasgood:
I understand that under the new budget cuts PCSOs are looking like the first thing to go...can you confirm if this is the case? If so, who will perform their duties if they do go? I cant stand the thought of them disappearing as in my vast experience of policing they do such a wonderful job. One PCSO I know, Lewis Munday, is the epitome of the sort of person you want working for the service and advocates good policing even when off-duty. It would be a crime NOT to have him and his PCSO colleagues doing their sterling work and they deserve more respect and equal pay!
HPA Response:

Hi Jennifer,

Thank you for your question, you make a very good point. Frontline policing is one of my priorities and is also the priority for the Home Secretary. PCSOs are the very front of the frontline policing. Whilst I cannot guarantee that the PCSOs will not be cut, they will definitely not be the first thing to go. The priorities will be assessed depending on the consultation exercise including your own comments which I welcome.

Emma Munday:
Dear Councillor Matthews, Thank you for allowing people the opportunity to have a say in this matter. As a mother of three young children I have to say that I am deeply concerned that it seems to be the front line staff who are going to be cut because of the budget cuts. Having the presence of PCSOs not only on our streets but also in our schools, youth clubs etc seems to be a vital part of protecting and reassuring the general public, while allowing PCs to take care of higher level crime. It seems that people are of the opinion that if these civilian post are cut they will be filled by police officers and we will see more PCs on the beat, but I know it simply won't work like this. Cutting these jobs will only add to the workload of PCs and we will see them less and less. It is my opinion that the police should look at cutting spending in other ways such as reducing the amount of staff at the top, some of whom are enjoying a large salary as well as a police pension and company cars. I have spoken to my local MP about this, but have been offered no reassurance only a lot of blame on the last government. I hope that you reassure me with a better explanation than that. I also hope you seriously rethink the idea of cutting frontline jobs and allow the PCSO's and other civilian staff to carry on doing the fabulous work they have done so far.
HPA Response:

Hi Emma,

Thank you very much for sending in your comments. As someone who has been involved in my community for a number of years as a councillor I share your concerns about the police and know how valued PCSOs can be in places like schools and youth clubs. Although it would be unfair of me to talk about salaries and top jobs I can assure you that one of the first things I would like to look at before we consider any 'front line cuts' is to see how we can reduce other costs which will include management, cars etc. Pensions are more difficult as these are set nationally and, to be fair to the police officers themselves, they do pay around 11.5% superannuation into their pension funds so are entitled to expect something back. I have said that I believe that protecting PCSO's and police officers is a priority and receiving comments like yours, which show how valuable you find them, is an important part of the fact finding we are undertaking before we make any decisions.      

mervyn peter woodcock:
are the pcso,s in the brumby ward ever going to be removed from their cycles and walk around the area allowing residents the chance to converse with them, . this used to happen 9 months ago and was very successful , but since then we have all lost the human contact with them .
HPA Response:

Thank you for your comments about PCSO's and bicycles. We invested money in PCSO's because we felt they were extremely important in reducing the fear of crime; talking to residents is a vital part of achieving this. Its a bit disappointing to learn that you aren't able to talk to the PCSO's in your area and this is the first time I have heard this concern. I don't know what has happened over the last 9 months to change things but I will be talking to the Chief Constable this week and will pass on this concern to him and ask what the reasons are and what he will be doing to make sure people in Brumby can strike up a conversation with their PCSOs.  

stephen eaton:
when are the police going to be allowed to use their own initiative, instead of having to follow procedure.
HPA Response:

Thanks for your question Steven. Many years ago when the police didn't have radios and computers a great deal of what they did was self generated and relied almost entirely on 'gut feeling' and what they came across on the beat. These days a great deal of police work comes about from calls the public make; for example last month the police in this area received nearly 13,000 999 calls and almost 22,000 non emergency calls which makes the working day of the police very busy. When they attend these calls the police do use their initiative to resolve the problems and achieve some very impressive results. However we do live in a world where there are many rules and regulations that have to be followed and the police are no exceptions here. For example, when making the decision to chase a stolen car the police have to be very careful that any action they take does not lead to injury or death of anyone. Also the law itself (which the police can't change and have to comply with) does place lots of constraints on them. Having said all of that I have seen some marvellous examples of initiative and bravery carried out everyday by police officers and PCSOs which very often doesn't receive any publicity and of which the staff themselves simply regard as just doing their job. A good example of these have been the 'undercover' or 'covert' drugs operations the police have ran which often put the officers themselves in very unpleasant or even dangerous positions.    

ANON:
While I am sure there are many more important issues to be tackled, the most important to the general public is the presence of boots on the street. The old regular beat had that effect and it had the advantage of locals being able to not only pass the time of day with a familiar face, but acquiring valuable information. Police cadets seem to have disappeared but they provided useful back-up and helped eventual recruitment. On a more national basis,as important as it is I think far to many are employed on anti-terrorist work. Many could surely be trained for such duties but then put back on front line policing.
HPA Response:

Thank you for your comments, it will come as no surprise to you that visible policing is very high on the agenda of many communities, because of this it is something I too place great importance on. The old style village bobby that you refer to has had to evolve over the years as intelligence-led policing and changes in criminal behaviour and activity has changed. Beat officers, and their teams, are now responsible for covering large areas and do so either on foot, in cars, on bicycles  - however the nature of their business dictates. Four years ago Neighbourhood Policing Teams were established to provide communities with named, recognisable beat officers and PCSOs whose job it was to get to know an area and the communities who live there. If you want to log onto www.humberside.police.uk and follow the links through the 'My Neighbourhood' pages you will find the names of those responsible for neighbourhood policing in your area. The Police Cadet project that we used to run proved very expensive with very little gain for the service, at the time it was launched a proportion of cadets did eventually become full time police officer, however, Humberside Police has been fortunate enough to run at full employment capacity for a number of years and this project ceased around 5 years ago. We now have a history of PCSOs progressing to the rank of police officer in a similar manner as the former police cadets.   

Anonymous:
Why don't Humberside Police make more effort to publicise their good news stories. The only stories we read about in the newspapers are negative ones. We need to know about the successes too.
HPA Response:

Thank you for your comments about press stories. Like you, I'd also like to see a bit some more successes in the media. As I have mentioned in one of my other replies, I know the force employ some very hard working press officers. However, the newspapers, TV and radio will sometimes run these stories in a completely different way and they end up appearing quite negative when they are published.  I do think that as well as publishing success it is right in a democratic society like ours that, if the police don't get things right, they get some criticism. All that I would ask for is fair and balanced reporting. My personal aim over the next year will be to get more good news stories in the media.

 

On that note I'd like to personally thank the media who covered 'The BIG Conversation' story and the launch of the 'Policing in the 21st Century' Survey, we've had a lot of constructive responses as a result.

Stacey Critchlow:
Why do PCSOs patrol in pairs, surely value for money would dictate that they should patrol alone, covering more areas and providing greater visibility
HPA Response:

You raise a good point. Ideally, to maximise visibility and value for money, PCSOs would patrol singly, Humberside Police have worked very hard to make sure that a single patrol policy is adopted where possible. Certainly, in my own rural areas PCSOs tend to patrol on their own, however, I understand that this could be different in the urban areas and at different times during the day.

IAN HURLEY:
Why not take police out of vehicles and put them on the beat,in the past 5 years i have never seen a policeman on the beat and i live near a police station ,however lots of police vehicles go past , last week at approx 1930 nine police vehicles were in the burringham road station ,the station was closed to the public ,not a policeman in sight
HPA Response:

Thanks for your question about putting officers on the beat. I think 'bobbies on the beat' is one of those issues which always raises lots of public comments and views. I think it is very important that we have police officers and PCSOs out of vehicles and on foot and this is an issue I often speak to the Chief Constable and his senior officers about. Walking the beat is a very effective way of communicating with the public. With over 1,300 square miles to cover and nearly 62,000 '999' calls since 1st April this year, the reality is that a great deal of police work has to be done in cars. The public very rightly expect the police to get there quickly when there is an emergency and it simply would not be effective to do most police work on foot. Having said all of that it is still important to keep staff on foot when not answering 999 calls, and that is why we introduced neighbourhood policing teams and PCSOs. I also know that, sometimes, the officers will get in the car and drive to an area, lock the car and walk the beat, that often happens in rural areas.Regarding cars in the station last week, the police work a shift system in which they have more staff on duty at certain times to handle different volumes of calls - it could be that at 19.30hrs they don't need as many cars on the road so they will be parked up in the yard.     

george walker:
i think humberside police, do a fantastic job. It is very reassuring to see pcso's on the street and the police constantly taking a positive attitude towards substance misuse. I do feel however greater enforcment of alcohol bans needs to be done. Keep up the good work- and i hope current cuts dont damage the good works. thank you
HPA Response:

Thank you for your positive comments. It is always nice to hear from members of the public who are satisfied with the service provided by Humberside Police. Alcohol banning orders can cover large geographical areas and impact on high numbers of people, this can sometimes make enforcement of such orders logistically difficult, however, once an order is secured all police officers and PCSOs responsible for covering the area are made aware of the order as is the local authority and other relevant bodies in order to try to maximise the effectiveness of the order. This is something we have tried to address in conjunction with our partners in the commercial sector, such as supermarkets, selling cut price alcohol as loss leaders.  

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